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Epicureanism and the harm of death May 3, 2008

Posted by tpummer in Epicurus, Lucretius, Philosophy.
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Recently I have been trying to understand the various Epicurean arguments to the conclusion that death does not constitute a ‘harm’, or a ‘bad event’ for an individual. (I am thinking that I will write on this for my final paper).
First, note that the claim that death is not a harm is separate from the claim that it is irrational to fear death. For one might think that one will be harmed by one’s death, but that worrying about this harm or bad event only causes additional, unnecessary, suffering (and so worrying about it is irrational). Of course, if death is not a harm, then that presumably does give us less reason to fear it.

Here are some of the more or less distinct arguments I have been able to identify:

1. The “death is nothing to us” argument from Letter to Menoeceus. “Get used to believing that death is nothing to us. For all good and bad consists in sense-experience, and death is the privation of sense-experience” (124). And “since when we exist, death is not yet present, and when death is present, then we do not exist. Therefore, it is relevant neither to the living nor to the dead, since it does not affect the former, and the latter do not exist” (125).

Here is one reconstruction of this argument (following Tim O’Keefe):
  1. Death is annihilation.
  2. The living have not yet been annihilated (otherwise they wouldn’t be alive).
  3. Death does not affect the living. (from 1 and 2)
  4. So, death is not bad for the living. (from 3)
  5. For something to be bad for somebody, that person has to exist, at least.
  6. The dead do not exist. (from 1)
  7. Therefore, death is not bad for the dead. (from 5 and 6)
  8. Therefore death is bad for neither the living nor the dead. (from 4 and 7)
O’Keefe does not note the support for premise 5, which would presumably be that “all good and bad consists in sense-experience, and death is the privation of sense-experience.” But premise 5 (and the supporting premise just cited above) is putatively inconsistent with some ways of thinking about what constitutes a ‘harm’. On one popular notion of harm, an individual can be harmed if she is deprived of some goods (that she would otherwise have). One does not have to positively suffer (in the form of some negative sense experience), but only be deprived of something better. If continued living is better, then it seems death would harm someone in this sense of deprivation. Thus, death might be a case in which one does not have to exist to be harmed.

2. The arguments concerning the Epicurean indifference to the temporal duration of the good (e.g., PD 19, 20; elsewhere), can be connected to the claim that death is not a harm. There appears to be textual evidence that this connection was intended or appreciated, e.g., Letter to Menoeceus 126, De Rerum Natura 3.940-50, 3.1088-90, probably elsewhere. (Lucretius’ point that “we cannot deduct a single moment of the time of our death” seems kind of irrelevant to me, as I would not think of the aim as minimizing the time that one is dead [an infinite span of time], but rather increasing the amount of time one spends enjoying life).

Since what gets identified with the highest good cannot be increased with time, cutting one’s pleasure short (via death) cannot be construed as a deprivation of goods. And so even if we allow that depriving someone of a good constitutes a harm, this does not occur in death. However, as I’ve expressed before, this notion of indifference to temporal duration is very mysterious to me — even on the assumption that the good for Epicureans involves a state of aponia and ataraxia. Nowhere in the readings can I find a cogent argument for such temporal duration indifference. Being in a good state for a longer period of time seems (all else equal) better than being in a good state for a shorter period of time.

If temporal duration indifference about the good is justified, this would seem to support the conclusion that death is not a harm. However, it seems that it could do so in a rather straightforward manner. Roughly: since more life is not better, and since death involves no negative sense experience, death is not a harm (or a bad thing). But then this seems to make the “no subject of harm” considerations (mentioned in Letter to Menoeceus) superfluous.

3. Lucretius’ “symmetry argument”: “Look back now and consider how the bygone ages of eternity that elapsed before our birth were nothing to us. Here, then, is a mirror in which nature shows us the time to come after our death. Do you see anything fearful in it? Do you perceive anything grim? Does it not appear more peaceful than the deepest sleep?” (De Rerum Natura 3.972-6).

Now, this might be interpreted not as an argument for the conclusion that death is not a harm, but rather merely as remarks intended to ameliorate one’s fear of death. The latter seems to be a viable interpretation, and I would not have much (if anything) to say against Lucretius on this score. But if this passage was intended to be an argument about the harmlessness of death, it does not seem to be very persuasive.

The most I would see it doing on this score is reiterating Epicurus’ claim that good and bad must consist in some sense-experience. It does not address the commonsense idea that a deprivation of a good is a bad thing (independent of any negative sense experience associated with the deprivation).

If deprivation of good is generally a bad thing, then we might accept some kind of temporal symmetry — and claim both that it is bad that a good life will not continue indefinitely into the future and that it is bad that a good life did not begin indefinitely far into the past. If deprivation of a good is not generally a bad thing, but a bad thing when it deprives, e.g., an identifiable individual (as opposed to possible, indeterminate individuals) of goods, then we might accept a kind of temporal asymmetry — and claim that, for a particular individual living a good life, while it is a bad thing that her life will not continue indefinitely into the future, it does not make sense to think of it as a bad thing that she was not born earlier. There are various reasons for deciding between an asymmetric view versus a symmetric view (e.g., whether harms and benefits must affect identifiable individuals; whether harms and benefits are relative to existent desires, etc.). Asymmetric views tend to think it sensible to speak of the harm or badness of death, but not of the harm or badness of not ever having been brought into existence. (Also see Thomas Nagel’s paper “Death” in Mortal Questions; and Parfit discusses many of these sorts issues in Reasons and Persons).

4. If Epicureans lack a single, coherent argument to the conclusion that death is not a harm, then perhaps their multiple distinct arguments to this conclusion might be best explained by the pressing need to justify holding an anxiety-reducing belief (that death is not a harm). Without conclusive evidence that none of the Epicurean arguments establish the claim that death is not a harm, the below suggestion may seem uncharitable of me. However, perhaps the implicit reasoning of Epicureans went something like this: If we believe that death constitutes a harm (or a bad event) for us, then we will fear death. We should not fear death (as it causes unnecessary suffering). Therefore, we should not believe that death constitutes a harm for us. However, this line of reasoning would (at best) only support the conclusion that we should not believe that death is a harm for us, not that death is not (really) a harm for us.

Any thoughts on any of this? Is the Epicurean position on the harm of death more unified than I suggest? Is it plausible? Any relevant reading suggestions? Any advice on how to approach this subject for a final paper? Thanks.

Animus, anima, mens, et al. April 24, 2008

Posted by voidobsequy in Lucretius, Philosophy, Pleasure.
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So, I looked over the Latin for the passage we briefly discussed at the end of the last class. This is III.135-145 or so. Briefly, our translation says that the mind and spirit form a substance. The ruler of the body is reason, called mind or intelligence.Later we hear that the rest of the soul is obedient to the will and mind.

Well, in Latin, we’ve got that the animus (mind/will/soul) and the anima (soul/breath/life) are fused in one natura (nature, not substance!) The ruler is the consilium (reason/judgement/will) which we call animus and mens (mind/intellect). The rest of the anima (same word as earlier!) is obedient to the numen (divine will/divine presence/god) and mens.

I’m just going by my abridged Oxford Latin dictionary here for the translations. So, two things jump out at me. First, where we have soul and spirit, the original just has anima. Second, natura is almost always best translated as nature, in my (well, pretty limited) experience. Substance fits the context, but it feels like a jump from the Latin.

A few other issues. I’m not totally clear on this, but I think “animus” is generally something like the mind and “anima” is generally something like an animating principal. Also, “consilium”, “animus” and “mens” all seem to identified with each other. Now, what to do with “numen”? Both our translation and the old Loeb give “will” for this, so maybe we should trust them. I’m just not that familiar with the term.

Brownian Motion April 24, 2008

Posted by voidobsequy in Epicurus, Lucretius, Philosophy.
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This was something I wanted to draw attention to in class, just cause I thought it was neat. One of Lucretius’s arguments for the existence of atoms (II.125-142) seems to be the same as the argument in Einstein’s first published paper, which (as far as I know) used Brownian motion as evidence for the existence of atoms. That’s kick-ass. Of course, Einstein included detailed mathematical calculations and also included empirical verification of some of Boltzmann’s statistical mechanical predictions.

I think he also has the Stosszahlansatz at II.85.

-Nat

Lucretius on “laws of nature” April 24, 2008

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While depriving laws of any metaphysical origin, Lucretius places them at the very heart of his atomistic cosmos as he constructs in the DNR a legal model of the universe…. In Lucretius’ account of the universe, nexus ‘bonds’, foedera ‘pacts’ and leges ‘laws’ account for the behavior of atoms and their combination into concilia ‘unions’, another term with legal and political implications, and thus form a coherent system for the rational understanding of nature. Lucretius’ foedera naturae and leges possess a strong empiricist foundation; ‘laws of nature’ are the projection into the infinity of time of the prevailing forms of association among compatible atoms that emerged at the beginning of the world and which natural reproduction has inherited. As such, they are reliable, yet consistent with the indeterminacy and contingency of a mechanistic universe…. Lucretius’ laws of nature do not exist outside and above the physicality of atoms, do not answer an inscrutable teleological project and have not been promoted by a provident lawgiver. ‘Natural laws’ crystallise post factum the workings of nature, and embody a ‘deeply fixed’ (1.77) terminus for each creature, a limitation of possibilities which prevents anarchy in the physical world.

From Alessandro Schiesaro, “Lucretius and Roman politics and history” (in The Cambridge Companion to Lucretius, ed. Gillespie and Hallie, pp. 47-8). See also A.A. Long, “Chance and natural law in Epicureanism,” Phronesis 22 (1977): 63-88.

Receiving Images April 23, 2008

Posted by Mungovanlowe in Epicurus, Lucretius, Philosophy.
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Epicureans think that we receive images (and other sense impressions) of things as result of thin films of the objects affecting our senses.  The account of visual images is the most well-developed in Lucretius.  He considers numerous purported counterexamples to the Epicurean theory and, I think, deals with many of them remarkably well.  However, there appears to be some inconsistency between a few features of these films of atoms that provide us with visual images of objects.

In IV 177-216, Lucretius explains that the speed at which images travel is very fast.  The idea, I take it, is mostly to explain the quickness of our visual cognition , but he also uses it explicitly to explain how the image of the heavens reflected in a lake can arrive at Earth and be visible despite the long distance it must travel (IV 210-215).

At IV 357, however, Lucretius gives an explanation of why images that travel from distant objects are fuzzier and more degraded.  “The image loses its sharpness before it can deliver a blow to our eyes, because the images, during their long journey through the air, are constantly buffeted and so become blunted” (IV 357-360).

However, it seems like these two explanations are inconsistent.  Images that must travel long distances will be degraded by various interfering particles (not to mention larger objects).  But surely, very few images that we receive travel from as far as the heavens.  Can Epicurus consistently claim that we can observe the heavens accurately, but that we cannot accurately observe, for example, a large oak tree that is just out of sight across a large flat field.  Assuming that there are no solid objects to interfere with the film of atoms from the tree as it travels (at the speed of light) across the field, it seems we should be able to observe it easily.

I see one potential answer to this apparent inconsistency, but I don’t know if I should ascribe it to Lucretius and the Epicureans in general.  Are there others?  If so, are any better than the following?

The images that travel from the heavens just as matter of fact encounter less interference traveling through the ethereal realm than an image traveling across an long but unobstructed field.  This isn’t crazy.  And Lucretius would be sure to point out that the images from the heavens are obstructed by clouds.  I think this claim would also demand a little more explanation of just what is buffeting the films of images in the case of the distant but unobstructed tree.  Is it wind?  Is it random particles?

The pain of seeing others suffer April 3, 2008

Posted by fryk in Hume, Lucretius.
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I was perusing Hume this morning–what a morning!–and found an interesting reference to the Lucretius passage we were talking about yesterday. Hume cites L’s suggestion that we feel the happiness of our own situation upon viewing the situation of others at sea in a turbulent storm. Hume flatly disagrees with this suggestion that we feel some happiness–he writes, “No man has so savage a heart as to reap any pleasure from such a spectacle, or withstand the motions of the tenderest compassion and sympathy” (Treatise 3.3.2.5). It may be that Hume is just misreading the suggestion–he might be thinking that we feel pleasure at seeing these people in distress–but I don’t think that’s really all he’s up to in this passage. He is trying to show our innate human sympathy for other people, and our inability to avoid feeling sympathy if we are face to face with the pain of another person. I wonder too, though, if there is a point here about the individualism of the Epicurean position (and plenty of other positions) that Hume is denying. I think he’s making the claim that it’s absurd to think that when we see the situation of another person–especially a dangerous or troubling situation–that our natural thought is of ourselves and our own position. I’m interested in discussing the degree to which Epicureanism is problematically individually focused, if there is some argument for why it is our own situation that is of primary–or sole?–concern to us, and whether Lucretius (or others that use this illustration) are committed to either a denial of natural sympathy or a forced eschewing of any sympathetic responses to the pain of others. Perhaps the recognition of my own position as better off is not incompatible with feeling sympathy for the other people, but Hume is really suggesting that this feeling of sympathy encroaches on my situation to such a degree that I do feel some kind of pain. For Hume, this Lucretian recognition wouldn’t be of any comfort in such a situation. What picture of human psychology are we getting from Lucretius here? –Thoughts?